MCU Topic

[vynsane]

Just got back a little bit ago. It was awesome. I walked out on a cloud.

[anarky]

Mostly excellent movie. One fucking huge issue. We'll talk when more have seen it, but there's a few serious paradoxes going on, which is especially bad since the characters addressed that earlier. Also the shit ton of people missing for five years and suddenly being back is pretty big, and why all previous takes on the story have involved a full reset to the moment of the original snap. I guess all of Peter's classmates died, but none of their parents have an issue with sending them to Europe after suffering their loss for five years.

I honestly don't hate or even dislike the movie, but, really?

[vynsane]

I think it was intentional. We've now established the multiverse in a way palatable to the masses. The two major paradoxes I see are Mjolnir being taken from Asgard before the end of The Dark World and Loki absconding with the Tesseract right after the events of The Avengers. Secondarily, Steve living out his life with Peggy (she married and had kids in 'our' reality, right?). Remember, those events don't change 'our' reality, but does create a rift in the reality where/when that event/paradox occurred.

[anarky]

The Multiverse is the only explanation I could come up with that works, but it's not explained well for "casuals." I'm not sure Steve marrying Peggy is a huge problem, since she was really good at keeping secrets, but it does require him to miss his own wife's funeral, and there's the question of where the shield came from. (Then again, he could've asked Black Panther to make a new one at some point between their defeating Thanos and returning the Stones, while swearing him to secrecy.)

Mjolnir isn't a problem at all; Steve took it back to the low point of the MCU.

[anarky]

Actually, thinking more on it, when the events in 2012 with Loki and the Ancient One are considered in conjunction with each other, Loki just created the multiverse if it did already exist.

In this context, Thanos from 2014 is from a parallel universe since the one stone was removed and time has been splintered.

A single line of dialogue could've spelled it out, though.

[anarky]

Fuck you, Grimlock.

Thinking about another apparent continuity error, I need to rewatch. 2014 Thanos is based on the Dark Aster, which kinda bugged me last night. In GotG, he is clearly NOT based there, because it's Ronan's ship. But James Gunn was involved with the Guardians-related bits, and that's a trivial but boneheaded error I don't think he'd make.

It's a subtle clue that this isn't "our" 2014. Another one: we didn't see Quill's entire dance in GotG, but we saw the beginning and end. Unless he completely shrugged off being coldcocked by a big metal arm, rewound the tape to the same spot, and kept on getting funky, there's pretty much no way War Machine could've knocked him out.

I'm guessing there are a lot more apparent errors of this sort.

[Diabolical]

I can't go until Sunday, so this thread is like reading a redacted government report right now.

[jjreason]

I guess I assumed any inconsistencies like that were undone by having cap return the stones to their original timelines, the moment of the snatch so to speak. Way above my paygrade to notice any of them in the first place, mind you - but I accepted their plan set everything back to what we have all seen up until this movie.

EDITED: Time to think this over - I guess it took the story to mean that each timeline would be repaired NOT to the moment the stone was grabbed per se, but to the moment the timeline was breached. That would take care of the Quill getting knocked out for example. In my mind, when Cap goes to return the stones, as long as they are in place any time before the breach of the timeline, we're back to baseline normal.

We are inarguably left with at least one variant timeline - there is a clear divergence where Cap chooses to stay & marry Peggy. What happens with the stones in that timeline - and maybe more importantly to everyone living in that timeline after he comes back to the standard one - is a story for another time. It was a nice shot in the feels to see them dancing together, but it struck me as oddly selfish for Cap. Is the most likely theory that he inserted himself right as the ship was going down, leaving young Cap to get stuck in the ice, never to be found?

Unrelated - who was the dark haired teenaged male at the funeral?

[vynsane]

I think the most important divergence is Loki taking the Tesseract after the NYC attack (The Avengers). We know Cap brought the 1970s Space stone back, repairing their reality, but the 2012 version was stolen by Loki. We can't be sure Cap was able to fix that. Cap going back to the 40s and living out his life with Peggy is less impactful, but still a second divergence.

[jjreason]

List of potential time issues & discussions as to whether or not any resolve each other or cause more problems than they solve:

1. Cap stays behind in 45 or thereabouts to marry Peggy & have the life he always wanted. I don't even know how to speculate on what problems this causes, other than a divergence. Would have to assume young Cap stays frozen in that timeline & the world thinks he survived somehow.

2. Thanos from the past gets dusted in the current timeline with his entire army, minus Gamora & Nebula (if I understood it right). Current timeline ok - timeline in which Thanos left from must be ok, at least in regards to Thanos & stones.

3. Loki getting the Tesseract following the Battle of New York. Current timeline is still ok, what that does to the diverging timeline is anyone's guess. Is that the Thanos that leapt forward to our timeline? If so, I guess they don't have to worry about Thanos getting all the stones since he won't be coming back.

4. Previously dusted persons coming back 5 years after the fact - Parker remembered getting dusted. I'm sure those people will have tons of issues to resolve, but I mean - it must be good to be back, right? I'm not sure what sort of other issues this creates.

Feel free to add & discuss, I've only seen it once & spent the last 6 or 7 hours just digesting what I saw. Honestly when I left the theatre none of the time issues bothered me at all - and I'm pretty sure they still don't... but I'm willing to hear you guys out about it.

[Tom Foolery]

I can't go until Sunday, so this thread is like reading a redacted government report right now.

They are rubbing it in our faces with all this purple.

Sunday. 3:00PM. IMAX.

I’m gonna binge the final three episodes of Gotham tonight and then rewatch Infinity War.

[Diabolical]

As explained in the film, there are no continuity issues, only alternate timelines.

The teenager is the kid from Iron Man 3.

[Ran]

If you go to Google and type "Thanos", an infinity gauntlet will appear on the right side of the page. Go ahead and click on the gauntlet and see what happens.

[jjreason]

The teenager is the kid from Iron Man 3.

Outstanding work. Thank you.

[Diabolical]

The teenager is the kid from Iron Man 3.

Outstanding work. Thank you.

I would have been confused too, but I saw that info somewhere a while back.