MCU Topic

[Tom Foolery]

Have we all seen it now?

Can we dispense with the spoiler tags?

[anarky]

Can we dispense with the spoiler tags?

No.

[Tom Foolery]

okay, obviously the good and great moments outweigh the nitpick moments here by a vast majority.

But the time travel shit has me looking at tons of tiny plotholes, apart from the ones you already mentioned (Were there two Steve’s? Did he deliberately miss his wife’s funeral? Etc Also, it would make more sense that he went back to Peggy in 1970, and not 1945. Her husband would’ve been dead by then, he didn’t have to make an extra time jump, and it’s more inline with his “age” at the end of the film. He dropped off the 1970 stone and then just...stayed.)
Like when Steve went back to return all the stones and Mjolnir.
How exactly does one “return” the Soul Stone? And what was THAT conversation like? Really?? Cap and Red Skull meet after 80 years and we don’t get to see it?
How do you “return” the Reality stone? Do you reinject it into Jane?
The rest are slightly less problematic, but still there, how’d they get back into the Tesseract, or the Scepter? Or how’d he get the Power stone back into the Force Field thingie?

To me the climax of the film was ‘Avengers Assemble’. I may be more emotionally distraught on subsequent viewings, but Tony’s death and Steve’s “aging” were muted for me only because everyone has been talking for the last three years about how their multi-film contracts were concluding and how they were done with the franchise, blah blah.
I got more choked up at the scene between Happy and Morgan because of the metatextual aspect of Favreau closing out what he started.

My kids were sobbing throughout, and after we left the theater, I (we) realized that THIS is their Star Wars. They were 5 and 10 years old when Iron Man came out. They are 16 and 21 now. This is their childhood. Getting a couple new Marvel Movies every year for a decade is intertwined with everything they’ve experienced growing up. Heavy.

[Tom Foolery]

Did anyone else think thecasual reference to undersea earthquakes in the Atlantic was setting up Namor and the Atlanteans if they do indeed show up in the next Dr Strange movie? It seemed oddly random and yet very specific at the same time.

[jjreason]

I would have to think it's a possibility. FF & Namor go hand in hand - he appeared in that book before Dr. Doom - and Sue actually had the hots for him before Reed put a ring on it.

We actually see Steve & Peggy dancing in the late 40's or early 50's (based on the looks of Steve anyhow), so I would suggest he went back that far to marry her. Should have been the post credits scene.

[anarky]

I thought it was obvious I was joking with my "no," but I'll use Mueller redactions anyway.

It's definitely the 40s or 50s, or all their neighbors are antique car buffs.

Each trip back creates a new timeline and ultimately the "prime" timeline cannot be changed. Cap recognizes this when he goes back, because he effectively has the Infinity Gauntlet sans snazzy glove, and knows he can't change the course of our history by marrying a different Peggy and having a happy life.

[Tom Foolery]

I hadn’t seen Ran contribute to the discussion yet, so I figured we’d wait until all the major players here had chimed in.

Does that mean he came back from the “other” timeline to be sitting on the bench?
He would’ve had to, or they are breaking their own time travel rules.
And if so, he would’ve popped back up on the pad one second after he left because that’s how Tony’s Moebius Time Travel Tech TM worked.

However I do appreciate they are using the splitting timeline theory rules for time travel because those are the specific ones Mark Gruenwald and those guys decided on when they started writing Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe way back when. It’s fitting and consistent even if the current Marvel Editors ignore it in the comics.

[jjreason]

I hadn’t seen Ran contribute to the discussion yet, so I figured we’d wait until all the major players here had chimed in.

Too busy father fucking to watch a movie in the theatre.

I'll be the spoilering douche. I wish they had held off on the orange discs appearing until after Steve had finished saying assemble - as though that word triggered them.

[vynsane]

re: Steve and Peggy, what it that was his reward for returning the soul stone?

in order to retrieve that particular stone, you have to sacrifice something you love. wouldn't the opposite hold true if you were returning it? he had already sacrificed something he loved - Peggy. so in reward for returning the soul stone, he was given back something he sacrificed. it's just as hard a conundrum as retrieving the stone, because he could've chosen Nat instead. but i think after a lifetime of war and loss, he deserved to have his alternate life.

[Ran]

Don't worry about me. I'm way behind on Marvel movies and don't really care about spoilers.

[Tom Foolery]

I hadn’t seen Ran contribute to the discussion yet, so I figured we’d wait until all the major players here had chimed in.

Too busy father fucking to watch a movie in the theatre.

I'll be the spoilering douche. I wish they had held off on the orange discs appearing until after Steve had finished saying assemble - as though that word triggered them.

Yeah, they’d all already assembled by then. But whatevs, I was choking back the Happy Tears at that point. My fucking god, that scene was almost too much for the nerd in my brain to process.

[Tom Foolery]

Okay, slight change of gears here. GotG I And II take place within a few months of each other(vol II is six months after the first one).
I suggested that it’s entirely possible James Gunn’s “trilogy” takes place before we see them in Infinity War and GotG3 takes place between 2014 and 2018. I only infer this from half remembered interviews where Gunn said he’d written the scripts for 2 and 3 in his head right after the first one came out, and he seemed to have heavily seeded the Warlock stuff and had already written 3 before he got fired because the cast was adamant about using his script.
Everyone else seems to think the third movie will pick up with Gamora gone and Thor on the team.

[anarky]

Vyn, by that logic, Clint should've been able to just grab the stone, having sacrificed his entire family.

[Tom Foolery]

Maybe there was, like, a 30 day return/exchange policy or like that 3-Day buyers remorse thing when you buy a car and he got Black Widow back when he returned the stone.

[Tom Foolery]

In addition to the maybe Namor reference, when Steve is stalking Peggy in 1970, she is making a reference to an “Agent Braddock” and people are saying that could be a Captain Britain Easter Egg since Feige has said he likes that character and would love to get him on the big screen eventually.